Curse

Konig Des Todes · Jul 29, 2009, 03:14 AM // 03:14

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Originally Posted by pamelf

They serve "A" dragon more powerful than any being in Tyria. It doesn't specify it's the undead dragon. Could still be Primordus...or some other as yet un-announced dragon.

The wording is ambiguous.

Actually, not really. If you read the thing as a whole, it is clear it is talking about the undead/orrian dragon's minions/army. Thus is must talk about "Malchor" unless "Malchor" itself is a servant of another stronger dragon. Which I find unlikely as the servants of a servant are not the servants of the master's master. If that made any sense (in other words, in order for any master of "Malchor" to use the undead dragon's army, it would have to command "Malchor" to command the army - since we know the army serves "Malchor," they wouldn't serve any possible master of "Malchor").

Jonii · Jul 29, 2009, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by Benderama

could all of that lava from the central transfer chamber be a volcano? ^^; i dunno just think it's a bit odd to have all this lava underneath the shiverpeaks, happens in heart of the shiverpeaks too?

Mountains are made from volcanoes and colliding plates, so I guess it's still possible to have magma dormant under the Shiverpeaks.

Winnies Bro · Jul 29, 2009, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Winnies, stop rezing threads with useless posts. People, if he does so again and there is nothing to continue the thread, don't respond and it'll all be forgotten.

What have I done?

What do you mean?

Mordakai · Jul 29, 2009, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

What have I done?

What do you mean?

He means this:

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Wah! People have stopped posting!

That is a senseless post, let the thread drop, or add to it in a constructive way, never ever complain about a thread not being read.

Let's drop that topic, and continue discussion in PMs if you must.

ON TOPIC:

I was thinking about "the dragon of ice and snow" and the Drakkar beast. Can someone find the Linsey quote about the Shiveperpeaks not melting "much"? Because I have a theory:

Since the dragons seem to be all listed in the beginning of "Movement of the World", it doesn't make sense that the dragon of ice and snow (or Drakkar) is left out.

What if the Deep Sea Dragon is actually the dragon of ice and snow? I know it makes no sense that a little lake is "the deepest waters of the sea" which is why I was wondering how much it melts, and whether another sea is formed somehow in the cataclysm?

EDIT: Never mind, Konig posted all this in the second post:

Linsey:

"I can't comment on the creature in the lake; sorry =/. I know that's not exactly what you want to hear, but you just might have to wait until GW2 to find out about this one.
But I will say that the Shiverpeaks is not "completely defrosted" in GW2. Yes, it's true that in GW2 the world map has changed a lot in the 250 years since GW:EN and parts of the Shiverpeaks will likely be "defrosted" but not all of it and not likely the part that this lake is in. - Linsey talk 21:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)"

So, there goes that theory. Any other ideas of why the "dragon of ice and snow" is not listed in the beginning list of dragons?

Free Runner · Jul 29, 2009, 03:47 PM // 15:47

The Dragon of Ice and Snow is mentioned to emerge, just not in the same section as the others.

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Originally Posted by Norn

An elder dragon of ice and snow arose in the farthest northern peaks

It most certainly isnt the Deep Sea Dragon, since that one woke up at the bottom of the sea causing horrors to emerge from the lakes and rivers, while the dragon of ice and snow woke up in the Shiverpeaks.

Thalador Doomspeaker · Jul 29, 2009, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

The Undead Dragon is the strongest of them all. Maybe not in power, but in its ruthlessness. Or maybe in power and ruthlessness.

But if it's the most powerful of all the ADs and if it's really waging a war against Palawa's forces why doesn't it bend Joko to its will?
Just joking. :P

Although I don't think a rotting dragon corpse is more powerful than any being in Tyria even if it's an Ancient Dragon. I think it's a poetical excess, or as pamelf said:

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Originally Posted by pamelf

They serve "A" dragon more powerful than any being in Tyria. It doesn't specify it's the undead dragon. Could still be Primordus...or some other as yet un-announced dragon.

The wording is ambiguous.

Or the writer of TMotW didn't consider the dragons while he/she meant the "any other being in Tyria".

Just speculating... I'm probably wrong though

Konig Des Todes · Jul 29, 2009, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

Although I don't think a rotting dragon corpse is more powerful than any being in Tyria even if it's an Ancient Dragon.

If a "rotting dragon corpse" isn't very powerful. Explain Bone Dragons? The strongest of the Orrian Undead (excluding Vizier Khilbron). Or Rotscale - a Bone Dragon. If undead are not some of the most powerful, look at Khilbron, Zoldark, Joko. I believe the Undead Dragon to be very similar to a lich, personally, though probably more like Zoldark than Khilbron or Joko. Which would mean it's servants, if created lik Zoldark's servants, would be very hardly permanently kill. And if it is like Khilbron and Joko, than the dragon itself will be next to impossible to permanently kill.

Though, of course, just a theory.

Thalador Doomspeaker · Jul 29, 2009, 06:37 PM // 18:37

We shall see sooner or later...

Oh, and on topic: if some of the Shiverpeak Mountains melts, then it can provide fresh water for Kryta and Ascalon, perhaps. I don't think it'll be important from the point of gameplay though. We'll be able to see a slightly or rather different sceenery, but nothing important, I would say.

And with it this thread should be closed now, I think. We are only discussing the matters with the Ancient Dragons and we're doing the same in no less than three other threads if not more.

Free Runner · Jul 29, 2009, 06:41 PM // 18:41

It doesnt matter if its a rotting dragon or not, it had the power to bring up Orr and the power to control the Sea of Sorrows. That proves it isnt exactly weak though i will agree, my first thought when seeing that "more powerful than any being in Tyria" line was that it was excluding the newly arrived dragons.

And as mentioned, the line is talking about the Undead Dragon for sure.

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Originally Posted by Orr

Risen from the ocean by the will of a powerful undead dragon, Orr no longer stands under human control. The beings roaming those lands are twisted, perverted remnants of Orr's once-magnificent culture. Drowned by magic and then raised into service by the will of a monster so terrible there are only whispers of its nature, they now serve a dragon more horrible and more powerful than any other being in Tyria.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 29, 2009, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

It doesnt matter if its a rotting dragon or not, it had the power to bring up Orr and the power to control the Strait of Malchor.

Fixed. The dragon doesn't control the Sea of Sirens, but the water south of that - between Orr and the Ring of Fire, which is the Strait of Malchor.

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

And with it this thread should be closed now, I think. We are only discussing the matters with the Ancient Dragons and we're doing the same in no less than three other threads if not more.

True enough, we know the Shiverpeaks could melt a little (Linsey, of course, gave no definite). Past that, we can't really discuss much more, can we. Especially since we're going off topic and can't seem to get back on topic (even if we try).

Closed.